Sins of a Solar Empire ( and a bit of ME3 )

Advent ships are cheap to mass produce. Phase missiles just help the Vasari take out the trash and require a fair amount of research. Negating it entirely is just stupid.

Tiel wrote:

Advent ships are cheap to mass produce. Phase missiles just help the Vasari take out the trash and require a fair amount of research. Negating it entirely is just stupid.

It's not negated entirely. In fact, it seems it's a lot weaker than I had thought.

Plus Advent ships may be cheap to mass produce, but they're also quite fragile. The ones that aren't fragile, on the other hand, are bloody expensive.

Pat Best wrote:

Tiel wrote:

Advent ships are cheap to mass produce. Phase missiles just help the Vasari take out the trash and require a fair amount of research. Negating it entirely is just stupid.

Plus Advent ships may be cheap to mass produce, but they're also quite fragile.

I mean, it's not like they have shields or anything that could be pierced using expensive technology to balance things out.

Tiel wrote:

Pat Best wrote:

Tiel wrote:

Advent ships are cheap to mass produce. Phase missiles just help the Vasari take out the trash and require a fair amount of research. Negating it entirely is just stupid.

Plus Advent ships may be cheap to mass produce, but they're also quite fragile.

I mean, it's not like they have shields or anything that could be pierced using expensive technology to balance things out.

You mean the shields all three factions have? Oh sure, they have those too.
Oh of course, the shields are stronger, but it's not like they've got those nice, early-game, inexpensive armor upgrades both other factions have for their hulls alone to be able to take a decent beating. Not to mention their hulls are overall weaker than that of the other two factions.

What's that, you say? Advent have weapon upgrades that allow them to bypass enemy hull armor? Jee whiz, I had no idea, you'll have to show me where this upgrade is.

Gee wiz, armor is totally comparable to shields, it has mitigation and everything! Gosh, your ships are so expensive, too.

Tiel wrote:

Gee wiz, armor is totally comparable to shields, it has mitigation and everything! Gosh, your ships are so expensive, too.

Armor is additive to shield mitigation, whereas phase missiles completely ignore shield mitigation, and what do you know, there's no armor behind the mitigation to soften the blow.

Pat Best wrote:

Tiel wrote:

Gee wiz, armor is totally comparable to shields, it has mitigation and everything! Gosh, your ships are so expensive, too.

Armor is additive to shield mitigation, whereas phase missiles completely ignore shield mitigation, and what do you know, there's no armor behind the mitigation to soften the blow.

The way I see it, Advent can get a 20% upgrade for shields at the start of a game, whereas the initial phase missile tech research only gives it a 10% chance of hitting home. So, early game, around a 5% chance of this actually happening. Late game, idk, I've never gotten that far with Advent nor Vasari.

Tiel wrote:

Pat Best wrote:

Tiel wrote:

Gee wiz, armor is totally comparable to shields, it has mitigation and everything! Gosh, your ships are so expensive, too.

Armor is additive to shield mitigation, whereas phase missiles completely ignore shield mitigation, and what do you know, there's no armor behind the mitigation to soften the blow.

The way I see it, Advent can get a 20% upgrade for shields at the start of a game, whereas the initial phase missile tech research only gives it a 10% chance of hitting home. So, early game, around a 5% chance of this actually happening. Late game, idk, I've never gotten that far with Advent nor Vasari.

Early game you're relying on disciple vessels and corvettes, neither of which have enough shields to even reach maximal mitigation before they are depleted, and then it's the weak hulls taking the damage.

Till you get Drone hosts anyways, but those are far from cheap. In fact, they're the most expensive carriers in the game.

This is not Rebellion.

Tiel wrote:

This is not Rebellion.

Then remove corvettes from the sentence and remove phase missile block from the argument.

This is Sparta.

Tiel wrote:

This is Sparta.

No, this is Patrick.

Drone hosts are very hard to kill. They annoy me.

Four drone hosts, a few flak frigates, a few heavy cruisers and a Radiance battleship pretty much suffice to ruin most systems' days.

I may be able to procure Rebellion, but first I must know if any of you can link me to a download that has no viruses.

derp use Steam.

No origin is best. Duh, noob.

I more meant the version that is slightly morally incorrect but free.

PM'd.

I may also be obtaining Rebellion, how is none of your concern

So Pat, you'd best get your creepy anime butt online often-er

Anime butt ? I think he's style is closer to comics ...

Comic, then. *shrug*

Tiel wrote:

Comic, then. *shrug*

It's both and neither at once.