Server redesign

I am becoming sick of playing on a griefed server, full of
horrible builds, with absolutely no:
-building codes
-specific building areas
-government/ chain of command
-anti-griefing measures
-coherent logicality in the placement and mobility of various constructions (it
is a big pile of ships stuck in any old order)
-rules (I mean, what kind of a server doesn't have rules?)

Did I miss anything?





Now,
without meaning to sound like too much of an evil dictator, I have
devised a fool-proof plan (fool-proof meaning that any fool can follow
it).
So here's my plan:

-Taco will give me the map, along with all of the ships/building schematics he used to put the current map together

-I will set about putting the server together in a more... aesthetically appealing way
-This will however mean that in a lot of cases, work will
need to be after step 4 (e.g. building a hangar for a large ship that
needs one, so I put it in a good location for a hangar to be
built around it)

-While
this is happening, Taco will search for, find, and then check with the
community several anti-griefing plug-ins. Possibly other plug-ins too,
if they are useful and relevant

-I will then give the map back to Taco, so he can upload it, after the plug-ins have been installed

-??? (This is the secret project which I've been working on, you guys should love it)

-Profit!



Any questions, at all, need to be asked, I don't want any fuzziness when it
comes to the server, and we need to be able to show off our work without fear
of of-crowding and griefers.

And that was without drinking coffee!

Give me the map back I need tyo add stuff, and I am adding a new map already, but for now here all my schematics ecept like 10 buildings I found on the internet.

Dr. Mackeroth wrote:

I am becoming sick of playing on a griefed server, full of
horrible builds, with absolutely no:
-building codes
-specific building areas
-government/ chain of command
-anti-griefing measures
-coherent logicality in the placement and mobility of various constructions (it
is a big pile of ships stuck in any old order)
-rules (I mean, what kind of a server doesn't have rules?)

-Yes
-Yes
-Yes, but what type? I vote for socialism.
-YES! I was wondering why taco hadn't put any at all up.
-Yes
-That would be needed too.

Full support.

Keon wrote:

Dr. Mackeroth wrote:

I am becoming sick of playing on a griefed server, full of
horrible builds, with absolutely no:
-building codes
-specific building areas
-government/ chain of command
-anti-griefing measures
-coherent logicality in the placement and mobility of various constructions (it
is a big pile of ships stuck in any old order)
-rules (I mean, what kind of a server doesn't have rules?)

-Yes
-Yes
-Yes, but what type? I vote for socialism.
-YES! I was wondering why taco hadn't put any at all up.
-Yes
-That would be needed too.

Full support.

socialism doesn't work, its wishful thinking for more than like 4 people, depending on the morality of said people

I think the strucuture the forum currently has would be fine, whatever it is

Guys To Be honest I hate Building Ships this Way I Need Things like RedPower and someone Must post an glue (You Decided To Call it Bolts because of the people who Want To huff The glue) mod,remove The Limitations From The Pistons and of course RedPower (2) and eventually wireless Redstone
And I can't understand Why this should Be so difficult To Do (okay the People with Windows 7 must find The Application.Data)

CoalMiningAlchemist wrote:

socialism doesn't work, its wishful thinking for more than like 4 people, depending on the morality of said people

I think the strucuture the forum currently has would be fine, whatever it is

Socialism/Communism DOES work. Its the perfect government. But only in a perfect world does the perfect government work. Thats why capitalism/democracy is the government of choice now-a-days, because it averages out the (imperfect) individual and hopes that it gets what is best for the whole.

(actually a perfect monarchy wouldn't be bad either...)

Danice123 wrote:

CoalMiningAlchemist wrote:

socialism doesn't work, its wishful thinking for more than like 4 people, depending on the morality of said people

I think the strucuture the forum currently has would be fine, whatever it is

Socialism/Communism DOES work. Its the perfect government. But only in a perfect world does the perfect government work. Thats why capitalism/democracy is the government of choice now-a-days, because it averages out the (imperfect) individual and hopes that it gets what is best for the whole.

(actually a perfect monarchy wouldn't be bad either...)

EXACTLY

I'm so glad someone else think how I do

Yeah a perfect monarchy would be better than anything we have now, but after the first great kind wonderful king his children tend to be.. bad..
IMO TBH BBQ anyway

Full hearted support.

But as a supporter of free knowledge, I must ask. What is "???"


-edit- also don't put it in a snowy biome, its a bit anoying

Here they are pm me the map back though http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60913491/Schematics.rar

CoalMiningAlchemist wrote:

Danice123 wrote:

CoalMiningAlchemist wrote:

socialism doesn't work, its wishful thinking for more than like 4 people, depending on the morality of said people

I think the strucuture the forum currently has would be fine, whatever it is

Socialism/Communism DOES work. Its the perfect government. But only in a perfect world does the perfect government work. Thats why capitalism/democracy is the government of choice now-a-days, because it averages out the (imperfect) individual and hopes that it gets what is best for the whole.

(actually a perfect monarchy wouldn't be bad either...)

EXACTLY

I'm so glad someone else think how I do

Yeah a perfect monarchy would be better than anything we have now, but after the first great kind wonderful king his children tend to be.. bad..
IMO TBH BBQ anyway

Communism I can agree with. But the idea of socialism, ie: A large safety net and help for poor, supported by the rich, is a good system of government. Just look at France.

Anyway, rules. We need them. Ideas?

Keon wrote:

Communism I can agree with. But the idea of socialism, ie: A large safety net and help for poor, supported by the rich, is a good system of government. Just look at France.

Anyway, rules. We need them. Ideas?

The problem with socialism is that it causes a circle effect that ends up with everyone being poor:

Rich people have to pay a lot of taxes and such to help poor, and this discourages people from being successful, because then they naturally get more money, which then means they pay more taxes. Its easier to just be mediocre and live off the few rich people's success than make your own. So slowly the rich people die off and the rest of the population underachieves. Thus the population all becomes poor and the median become less and less as people work and achieve less and less. The reason that socialism fails is that for a person to work hard and succeed, they must have a reason to do that. Nobody's life goal is to become rich and successful just to give all his wealth away.

Also, socialist/communism governments have a very high chance to turn into a dictatorship if the wrong person comes into power, since the government already owns everything.

Capitalism succeeds because it has incentives for those who work hard. Do well in school and work hard and you could become the next president. (Well in theory, but we all know you also have to go to the best schools and hang with the important people to become president.)

Also I look at France and see a country that has been around way longer than the US and has been defeated in two world wars (both which the US practically won) and is no where near as wealth and successful as the US (even despite our depression).

Danice123 wrote:

Keon wrote:

Communism I can agree with. But the idea of socialism, ie: A large safety net and help for poor, supported by the rich, is a good system of government. Just look at France.

Anyway, rules. We need them. Ideas?

The problem with socialism is that it causes a circle effect that ends up with everyone being poor:

Rich people have to pay a lot of taxes and such to help poor, and this discourages people from being successful, because then they naturally get more money, which then means they pay more taxes. Its easier to just be mediocre and live off the few rich people's success than make your own. So slowly the rich people die off and the rest of the population underachieves. Thus the population all becomes poor and the median become less and less as people work and achieve less and less. The reason that socialism fails is that for a person to work hard and succeed, they must have a reason to do that. Nobody's life goal is to become rich and successful just to give all his wealth away.

Also, socialist/communism governments have a very high chance to turn into a dictatorship if the wrong person comes into power, since the government already owns everything.

Capitalism succeeds because it has incentives for those who work hard. Do well in school and work hard and you could become the next president. (Well in theory, but we all know you also have to go to the best schools and hang with the important people to become president.)

Also I look at France and see a country that has been around way longer than the US and has been defeated in two world wars (both which the US practically won) and is no where near as wealth and successful as the US (even despite our depression).

Well, unless we cut out entitlement spending that's where I think we're going(US)

how did we get on this subject?


and there are rules, thy're just buried in bedrock and hard to find

Quote :

Well, unless we cut out entitlement spending that's where I think we're going(US)

Agreed

Danice123 wrote:

Quote :

Well, unless we cut out entitlement spending that's where I think we're going(US)

Agreed

YAY! I'm not alone in political opinion

I believe in controlled anarchy. A group, like the UN, keeps peace and moderates currency and some simple laws, such as no murder, blatant theivery, ect, and everyone else is left to fend for themselves, with limited support from the planetary goverment, for the extremely poor or deathly sick, so essentially planetary anarchy with a touch of socialism. It cant crumble, becuase there is little to be crumbled, and eventually, new goverments rise up, and then the world comes to a place like it is now, only on another planet. So it goes, Present time, Anarchist-socialism, find new planet, present-like conditions, wash, rinse and repeat. I think we will go to GJ667Cc, which is the best place where life could be sustained. As of now.

tacokingbob wrote:

Here they are pm me the map back though http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60913491/Schematics.rar

Thank goodness!!

Okay, I will set up the map, it may take a couple of
weeks, or it may not.

Also, don't expect all the ships/builds to be there, some are just total....
well... needless to say, they won't be added.

If you really must know, my secret project will be the spawn-building.

Also, I hope all the ships are finished, because I may repeat some of them
several times to make an effective looking dock. If they aren't it's a chance
to have multiple of the same class of ship with different (or no) interior.

Just to let you all know, I have created the new world in WorldPainter. It looks pretty good, but we are going to have to do something about the fact that the world will just... end... (well, surounded by a massive ocean, then normal terrain. But still, it is annoying.

Dr. Mackeroth wrote:

Just to let you all know, I have created the new world in WorldPainter. It looks pretty good, but we are going to have to do something about the fact that the world will just... end... (well, surounded by a massive ocean, then normal terrain. But still, it is annoying.

you mean it will be a massive island?

that sounds better to me

ACH0225 wrote:

I believe in controlled anarchy. A group, like the UN, keeps peace and moderates currency and some simple laws, such as no murder, blatant theivery, ect, and everyone else is left to fend for themselves, with limited support from the planetary goverment, for the extremely poor or deathly sick, so essentially planetary anarchy with a touch of socialism. It cant crumble, becuase there is little to be crumbled, and eventually, new goverments rise up, and then the world comes to a place like it is now, only on another planet. So it goes, Present time, Anarchist-socialism, find new planet, present-like conditions, wash, rinse and repeat. I think we will go to GJ667Cc, which is the best place where life could be sustained. As of now.

AKA as crusaders!My faction of me,pat_22 and blockman42!Plus pat`s ships.

Also Mack I will alter install a map myself though as in a month and pm me a link to the download add ALL of the ships

Okay, I didn't understand Taco's last post at all, so I will give you an update of progress.

-The island which I created (about 1km squared) is going to be turned into one giant city when the map is uploaded. This means a lot of buildings, and a few ships IN DOCKS around the place.

-There is a larger area of the map (4km squared) specifically for building ships/vehicles that you don't want in the main area because you don't feel like building a dock around them that fits in with the city.

-If I see any ships/ vehicles on the island that aren't in/on a dock, I will personally destroy them, regardless of their size.

-Also, all ships must have an interior. This will be the first act of business when the map is uploaded, along with building proper docks (only one dock which I built as an example is a proper dock, all the rest are holes in the ground.)

Teaser image:

Spoiler:

I like it. Also, Taco should go to the map before the current one and get a ship I built tht wasnt put into the one were on now.

ACH0225 wrote:

I like it. Also, Taco should go to the map before the current one and get a ship I built tht wasnt put into the one were on now.

I don't think it was backed up..