The Fickleness and Short-Livedness of RolePlays.

We have problim. In September alone we have had at least 5 (or something) RPs that have lived and died in a matter of days. This disrupts those that create RPs and those that are dedicated to a particular RP, and the unity and function of the RP section. What I suggest is a system that will be set in place over the next month or so. Under this system, there would be no more than two RPs active at once, one an individual-style RP and another an Empire RP. Fenway will sere as the moderator of this system. I suggest that, in Fenway's absence, either Prototype or I take his place. These two people (LEGISLACERATORS) will also serve as a balance to the moderation.

-Those that wish to post an RP must first make the moderator aware of the full content of the OP via PM or other means of conveyance.

-Any editions that the moderator believes should be made must be made.

-If two people wish to post an RP at the same time, then Fenway will decide which will go up.

-RPs that are written during the duration of activity of another will be kept by the moderator.

-Once an RP is approved by the moderation and is posted, it is then under full control of the OP and their chosen game masters.

-If either I or Prototype (or whoever is chosen as legislacerators) considers the moderator's decision erronerous, then the decision will be placed into the hands of the public (you assholes). If both of the Legislacerators disagree with the moderator, then they will overrule and the appropriate option will be set in place.

-If a style of RP not on precedent (neither individual nor empire) is put up for judgement, and there is a possible conflict, then it will be decided by the Moderator or the Legislacerators if it is allowed.

CURRENT LEGISLACERATION CANDIDATES (two will be chosen)

Prototype

catsonmeth

I voted yes because legislacerators are better than any of the other ones, especially the cavalreapers.

Almost, except Tiel gets to be the other legislacerator.

We need to have both ends of the spectrum here.

But what if it's a neither an Empire RP nor a personal RP?

Very well. I will change the poll to legislacerator election because implementation of this system is basically decided entirely by Fen.

E: Okay, let democracy live on, I couldn't figure out how to change the poll.

@Ach, then it would be decided by the Moderator whether it should be allowed if two RPs of the standard styles are active.
E: I have put this in OP.

Take me off the candidate list, please.

I vote for catsonmeth, only person able to maintain an RP when Fenway's gone.

Tiel+ wrote:

Take me off the candidate list, please.

I vote for catsonmeth, only person able to maintain an RP when Fenway's gone.

Done. There'll be two legislacerators, and, as of now, there're only two candidates.

I'd just say if I have an RP I'd wait for an RP stalemate, I mean even if the grand empire RP just died out that doesn't mean that the next few couples of empire RPs that will appear in a quick succession will cut it as mostly there would be a reason while that RP died, a reason that would pretty much doom your RP before it even started, and so it will be like the nine cities of troy, each built on the ruins of the other ...

I don't like the idea of censoring RPs either, though queuing RPs make sense but anything apart from that does not. Even that queuing can only be a  request, as forcing someone not to post an RP for these reasons is illegal, you are entitled to post whatever you want in the relevant places so long you ensure the rights of the others, and as an RP is not a violation of any rights there is no reason for a mod to stop one from posting an RP.

So yea TL:DR censoring RPs is illegal and can only be a matter of suggesting, nobody can force you to post or not to post an RP.

Iv121 wrote:

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Of course anyone can post what they wish at any time, it's up to the community to uphold he system.

Iv121 wrote:

forcing someone not to post an RP for these reasons is illegal, you are entitled to post whatever you want in the relevant places so long you ensure the rights of the others, and as an RP is not a violation of any rights there is no reason for a mod to stop one from posting an RP.

TL:DR censoring RPs is illegal and can only be a matter of suggesting, nobody can force you to post or not to post an RP.

What? On who's laws? Is there some clause in Israel's constitution that says 'thou shalt not regulate forum threads'? As I said on the previously, you're always going to have someone owning a site and controlling what kind of content goes up on it, because they can and will be held accountable if anything happens to violate international law. In this case it's just a matter of retaining some sort of organization over the RP subforum.

I think 2 is overkill.

Let me ask you this Iv-

If, say, Vinyl were to post an RP where your objective is to hunt Iv-birds and describe the violence inflicted, how would you react? Under your definition, there is no penalty for having an RP where you hunt Iv-birds, because it isn't violating any rights. You could do nothing about it.

I say this system is well and good. I nominate Prototype and Error as legislacerators.

Don't even respond to Iv, Tiel. He hasn't said anything for months now that both made sense and wasn't ridiculous, but arguing with him is causing problems. Just accept that what he says is nonsense and move on.

Cats, you can't edit the poll once people have voted. If you need it changed, ask and someone with moderator powers can do it.

If it was not stressed well enough I will put it here for you now:


Maybe Im not a mod in here but I believe I will talk for myself when I will return to duty, if I get a complaint about an RP being not allowed into the role-play section simply because some guys at the RP committee didn't like it I will enforce that this RP will be posted. That is not given to any argument Tiel and, that decision of mine is final. I view the freedom of speech as a highest value in this case.


What you do with that RP is your deal but if a person wants to post an RP he can.
Now the case you brought Fen is a different one:


Although every person is entitled to post whatever he wants he cannot and will not post anything that is deliberately offensive to the other forum members. Deliberately trying to offend a person or antagonizing him is a bannable offense and it doesn't matter if it is posted under an RP disguise, don't do it you WILL be banned


For that matter there is the standard moderation board that takes care of this business, also note that I don’t find hunting Iv-Birds offensive in any way.

All of the following were based on comparison of different values that do not only exist in Israel tiel such as freedom of speech and the right to dignity.

Iv121 wrote:

Maybe Im not a mod in here but I believe I will talk for myself when I will return to duty, if I get a complaint about an RP being not allowed into the role-play section simply because some guys at the RP committee didn't like it I will enforce that this RP will be posted. That is not given to any argument Tiel and, that decision of mine is final. I view the freedom of speech as a highest value in this case.

If Fenway in his position as Moderator of the RPs section disagrees with you, you don't have that power. Your opinion is noted but is not what decides the issue, because ultimately you won't enforce it unless Fenway and the forum in general agrees that this proposed rule is bad. Your job as a Moderator is to enforce the forum rules. You have the right to vote against this proposal, but not the right to unilaterally decide that this will not happen.

People can post any RP they want at any time as long as it is within the forum rules.

Whether anybody else joins it is up the the individuals discretion.

I uphold the rules to a point, there is what is called "illegal rules in core" that go against basic principles of human rights, for example If I pass now a rule that everyone must offend proto once a day even if that rule passes with 99% of the votes it is illegal at its core and for that reason it simply cannot pass. What I see in that suggestion is an opening for pure censorship , although I believe Fen will allow most RPs in there is simply no reason for that censoring tool to be used and therefore it is just a tool for power abuse , and again the lesser there are of these , the better. For that reason this rule can only remain as a suggestion or a guideline, it has no jurisdictional weight, and if required I will appeal it based on these rights.

Prototype wrote:

People can post any RP they want at any time as long as it is within the forum rules.

Whether anybody else joins it is up the individual’s discretion.

Pretty much that ^, though it opens a gate for cartelling but I trust you won't force people to avoid that RP and play it fair ...

Iv121 wrote:

everyone must offend proto once a day

Impossibru

Iv121 wrote:

I uphold the rules to a point, there is what is called "illegal rules in core" that go against basic principles of human rights, for example If I pass now a rule that everyone must offend proto once a day even if that rule passes with 99% of the votes it is illegal at its core and for that reason it simply cannot pass. What I see in that suggestion is an opening for pure censorship , although I believe Fen will allow most RPs in there is simply no reason for that censoring tool to be used and therefore it is just a tool for power abuse , and again the lesser there are of these , the better. For that reason this rule can only remain as a suggestion or a guideline, it has no jurisdictional weight, and if required I will appeal it based on these rights.

1. You cannot simply pass a new rule because you want to. You're only a Moderator, and no-one has that power. All rules must be voted on and agreed to. While we're talking about rights, think about what you're actually allowed to do as a Moderator in this situation.
2. I find it hard to believe that you're invoking human rights in a discussion of forum science fiction roleplays.
3. By your logic, it is a crime against humanity for me to attempt to keep threads on-topic. After all, everyone has the basic right to post whatever they want wherever they want, and it's illegal for me to try to stop them, right?
4. Your use of the term 'illegal' is stupid. Nothing we can do on this forum short of child pornography violates any laws anywhere. You can argue that this is morally wrong, but don't try to argue that it's illegal, because that makes you sound like an idiot.
5. If you or anyone else doesn't want this to pass, vote against it. That's what this thread is for. Tell everyone why you don't want it to pass, yes, but don't try to put your foot down and force your will upon everyone else. That's a great way to get someone else a shiny new Moderator badge, not to convince others to support you. I'm not going to vote on this; I don't participate in RPs enough for it to affect me, so I shouldn't skew the results for those who do care. But you trying to use your position as a Moderator to change the way this goes, that I care about. So please don't.

Well yes locking up a murderer is also a crime following your theory, after all we take his freedom of movement right ?

Every single law in the world is a clash of rights. Some rights are deemed more important than others such as the right of life is higher than the freedom of movement. You know what is a good way to identify a rule that is rotten at its core ? there is no clash of rights, or more exactly there is no right that is protected at the expanse of the other. You are going to claim the example Fen gave of someone offending someone else but that as I already said already falls under a rule.

It is my duty to ensure the safety and the rights of all members on this forum are not violated, and again if I get a complaint that thread will be published, as I already said my decision is final.

Iv121 wrote:

Well yes locking up a murderer is also a crime following your theory, after all we take his freedom of movement right ?

I think there is a large difference between trying to get a system that injects longjevity into Rp's and killing somebody I kinda agree with this proposal; although I think medival/fantasy rps should have a separate que to the sci-fi ones due to them being very different in terms of genre.

Iv121 wrote:

Well yes locking up a murderer is also a crime following your theory, after all we take his freedom of movement right ?

No? I'm sitting here trying to figure out how you came to that conclusion. There is nothing in my post that should have implied anything like that. You're the one talking about human rights—I said that nothing we can on the forum could violate them. This is why I think there may be a language issue here. I don't think you understood my post at all, and I'm not at all certain that I understand yours.

Iv121 wrote:

<snipped more crap about human rights>

It is my duty to ensure the safety and the rights of all members on this forum are not violated, and again if I get a complaint that thread will be published, as I already said my decision is final.

It is your duty to uphold the forum rules. You have indeed already said that your decision is final, but I've already said that your decision isn't worth crap because it isn't your decision to make. If you don't like this, you have a perfectly valid way to fight it—vote against it. Again, putting your foot down and insisting that what you want is what will happen regardless of the way the community votes isn't going to get you very far.

Now you can say I know crapshit about many topics but one topic you cannot say this about - law and the way it works, I am proud that throughout my whole work here and in other places I didn’t have a single problematic incident, didn’t abuse my powers even once and found solution to every single problem that came before me, to be honest all my arguments I brought before you, you refuse to see them so it is clear bringing arguments wont convince you, let my experience convince you it's a bad idea, and finally if that won't convince you I have nothing more to tell you, I hope my word still means for you something, if not very well but rest assured that I will make sure nobody will get abused by that system, written in the law or not, and let the god be with me on that shitstorm you are about to setup for me.

Also LJS my language is crystal clear here and other members got my point, I think something else blocks your vision - hatred.

Also cats can you please check your inbox ? thx.

Iv121 wrote:

Also LJS my language is crystal clear here and other members got my point

Ehm... No offence, but don't take it as far as to crystal, dude...

Clear enough to be understood.