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Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

You also do realize that this RP is in no way associated to Minecraft in general or the Futurecraft-mod in specific?

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

You also do realize that this RP is in no way associated to Minecraft in general or the Futurecraft-mod in specific?

yes

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

Please note I was talking about the SW canon Impstar Deuce.

so, you base what i am building off of something nearly impossible to fully build?

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

You also do realize that this RP is in no way associated to Minecraft in general or the Futurecraft-mod in specific?

yes

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

Please note I was talking about the SW canon Impstar Deuce.

so, you base what i am building off of something nearly impossible to fully build?

He most likely does, as you definely copied its name and put it into your stuff.
Also, what I actually meant with my first comment that Star Destroyers are Dreadnaughts was that "Star Destroyer" actually is just another term for "Dreadnaught", no matter what kind of SD you are talking about.
Just take a look at the definitions of Star Wars ship size categories and then show me one of the more active members with a longer membership that won´t tell you that a SD is a Dreadnaught.

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

You also do realize that this RP is in no way associated to Minecraft in general or the Futurecraft-mod in specific?

yes

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

Please note I was talking about the SW canon Impstar Deuce.

so, you base what i am building off of something nearly impossible to fully build?

He most likely does, as you definely copied its name and put it into your stuff.
Also, what I actually meant with my first comment that Star Destroyers are Dreadnaughts was that "Star Destroyer" actually is just another term for "Dreadnaught", no matter what kind of SD you are talking about.
Just take a look at the definitions of Star Wars ship size categories and then show me one of the more active members with a longer membership that won´t tell you that a SD is a Dreadnaught.

it shows Star Destroyers are between battle cuisers and heavy cruisers. i do not see the connection to dreadnoughts

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

You also do realize that this RP is in no way associated to Minecraft in general or the Futurecraft-mod in specific?

yes

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Dude, SD's are 1.3 KM long and have over 100 weapons. Plus, they carry a wing of fighters and something like 20,000 ground troops.


Yes, dreadnought.

do you really think i can fit 72 TIE fighters into it? i cant. i tried. the proportions required for a full-scale ISD are mind blowing, so the one im making is defiantly NOT a dreadnought. also, i doubt i will be able to fit over 10,000 all together in my ISD and have enough food. let alone space.

Please note I was talking about the SW canon Impstar Deuce.

so, you base what i am building off of something nearly impossible to fully build?

He most likely does, as you definely copied its name and put it into your stuff.
Also, what I actually meant with my first comment that Star Destroyers are Dreadnaughts was that "Star Destroyer" actually is just another term for "Dreadnaught", no matter what kind of SD you are talking about.
Just take a look at the definitions of Star Wars ship size categories and then show me one of the more active members with a longer membership that won´t tell you that a SD is a Dreadnaught.

it shows Star Destroyers are between battle cuisers and heavy cruisers. i do not see the connection to dreadnoughts

It is about examples.
The ships you are talking about would be around Frigates to Cruisers in Star Wars terms. So please, if you do use Star Wars ship size charts, don´t call it into a size class it doesn´t belong in.
Also, the smallest ship that ever saw definition as Star Destroyer was the Acclamator-class assault ship which had 752 meters in lenght, so the stuff you´re talking about propably isn´t a star destroyer at all.

As well, people on this community are building over 1km ships, just look at the current project of the Terran Trade Confederation.
as you see, you are in no position to tell me that a Star Destroyer is anything different from a Dreadnaught.

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

No, there aren't, other than Death Stars and Yuuzhan Vong worldships. Executor-class, post-retcon, is the largest ship in the Imperial Navy, and the Imperial Navy has the largest ships in the galaxy. Worldships are Death Star scale, and they're only sorta ships, in the same way the Death Star is.

Yes, the Death Star would be a dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts are 50+ kilometers, and the first Death Star was 160. It's a large dreadnaught.

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

No, there aren't, other than Death Stars and Yuuzhan Vong worldships. Executor-class, post-retcon, is the largest ship in the Imperial Navy, and the Imperial Navy has the largest ships in the galaxy. Worldships are Death Star scale, and they're only sorta ships, in the same way the Death Star is.

Yes, the Death Star would be a dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts are 50+ kilometers, and the first Death Star was 160. It's a large dreadnaught.

And correct me if I'm wrong but is't a wing (3 squadrons) 36 fighters? I know SSDs carry 144 (4 wings?), and Impstars carry 2 wings (72 fighters).

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

No, there aren't, other than Death Stars and Yuuzhan Vong worldships. Executor-class, post-retcon, is the largest ship in the Imperial Navy, and the Imperial Navy has the largest ships in the galaxy. Worldships are Death Star scale, and they're only sorta ships, in the same way the Death Star is.

Yes, the Death Star would be a dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts are 50+ kilometers, and the first Death Star was 160. It's a large dreadnaught.

Viscount class Star Defender.

I'm just sayin.

Also, can we please not get your naming system entangled in all of this? It's fairly confusing whether the discussion is operating off of that or the Anaxes War College one.

Tiel wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

No, there aren't, other than Death Stars and Yuuzhan Vong worldships. Executor-class, post-retcon, is the largest ship in the Imperial Navy, and the Imperial Navy has the largest ships in the galaxy. Worldships are Death Star scale, and they're only sorta ships, in the same way the Death Star is.

Yes, the Death Star would be a dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts are 50+ kilometers, and the first Death Star was 160. It's a large dreadnaught.

Viscount class Star Defender.

I'm just sayin.

I couldn´t find any "real" Star Wars Ship with more lenght as the Executor-class on Wookiepedia and I actually searched every single Super Star Destroyer and Star Dreadnaught Class on the distributing pages, oh, and the Viscount Class is only 17km as opposed to the Executor Classes 19km. So please tell me something above your "50+ km" that isn´t labled "Deep space Mobile Battlestation" or something similar, because that´s no spaceship, that´s a space station with a hyperdrive included. I really think you meant "5+ km", because that´s about the lower limit for Star Dreadnaughts described on Wookiepedia.

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

And correct me if I'm wrong but is't a wing (3 squadrons) 36 fighters? I know SSDs carry 144 (4 wings?), and Impstars carry 2 wings (72 fighters).

I think an Imperial wing is 6 squadrons, which is 72 fighters, and an ImpStar carries one wing. The other bit depends on the SSD. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how many fighters an Executor-class carries, but an Eclipse-class carries more than a thousand.

Tiel wrote:

Viscount class Star Defender.

I'm just sayin.

Nope, sorry. Like Ivan said, post-retcon those are smaller. They're all smaller. There are a number of ships that were supposed to be larger than Executor, but Executor's size has been changed, and they haven't.

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

So please tell me something above your "50+ km" that isn´t labled "Deep space Mobile Battlestation" or something similar, because that´s no spaceship, that´s a space station with a hyperdrive included. I really think you meant "5+ km", because that´s about the lower limit for Star Dreadnaughts described on Wookiepedia.

There are no ships in Star Wars that are larger than 19 km that are really ships. There are only some marginal cases, like the Death Stars or worldships. This is the LJSI system, not a Star Wars system. Mine is crazy even compared to crazy, but someday I intend to eat you all. Plans for the Mandalore-class dreadnaughts keep expanding. At the moment they've gotten to 200 km long.

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

And correct me if I'm wrong but is't a wing (3 squadrons) 36 fighters? I know SSDs carry 144 (4 wings?), and Impstars carry 2 wings (72 fighters).

I think an Imperial wing is 6 squadrons, which is 72 fighters, and an ImpStar carries one wing. The other bit depends on the SSD. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how many fighters an Executor-class carries, but an Eclipse-class carries more than a thousand.

Also, to talk about fighter completements, a Venator-Class Star Destroyer carries over 400 small craft (192 V-wing or V-19 torrent+ 36+ ARC-170+ 192 Eta-2 Actis+ 40 LAAT/i= 461+ small craft) in just 1.137m lenght. I´d say we call it a carrier from now on.

A Venator class Star Destroyer is a Venator class Star Destroyer, regardless of what you pulled from Wookiepedia. Is this thread just going to be trying to fit Star Wars vessels into LJS's naming scheme? I hope not.

Tiel wrote:

A Venator class Star Destroyer is a Venator class Star Destroyer, regardless of what you pulled from Wookiepedia. Is this thread just going to be trying to fit Star Wars vessels into LJS's naming scheme? I hope not.

I was saying that the Venator-class was kind of a carrier-battleship hybrid, much like the BSG-Battlestars with the size of a Star Destroyer.
So, let´s just get back on-topic.
Now that the Dovan Empire tuned their Star Destroyer count down, we just need to talk about their current planet and population count...

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

And correct me if I'm wrong but is't a wing (3 squadrons) 36 fighters? I know SSDs carry 144 (4 wings?), and Impstars carry 2 wings (72 fighters).

I think an Imperial wing is 6 squadrons, which is 72 fighters, and an ImpStar carries one wing. The other bit depends on the SSD. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how many fighters an Executor-class carries, but an Eclipse-class carries more than a thousand.

Also, to talk about fighter completements, a Venator-Class Star Destroyer carries over 400 small craft (192 V-wing or V-19 torrent+ 36+ ARC-170+ 192 Eta-2 Actis+ 40 LAAT/i= 461+ small craft) in just 1.137m lenght. I´d say we call it a carrier from now on.

Yes, it is. I believe they're called that in Star Wars, at least sometimes. They're designed much more for starfighter support than for direct combat, which is why they carry many times as many starfighters as an ImpStar, even though they're smaller. But 'carrier' isn't a size category. I don't support Star Destroyer as a size category, either, which is why it's not in my system. Venators are frequently called Assault Cruisers, which is what I would categorize them as. But yes, let's get back on-topic.

Nope. They're explicitly designed to fulfill both the role of starfighter support and a direct-combat vessel. The Republic needed a jack-of-all trades capitol ship and the Venator was Kuat's answer, with the Star Destroyer tag because...well, I can't really name that off the top of my head, but it was designed by the same lunatic that later laid down the Imperial class.

Tiel wrote:

Nope. They're explicitly designed to fulfill both the role of starfighter support and a direct-combat vessel. The Republic needed a jack-of-all trades capitol ship and the Venator was Kuat's answer, with the Star Destroyer tag because...well, I can't really name that off the top of my head, but it was designed by the same lunatic that later laid down the Imperial class.

Oops, you're right. I was thinking of another ship.

Wookieepedia wrote:

While designed primarily for ship-to-ship combat, the Venator had secondary roles ranging from starfighter carrier, to military transport and battleship escort.

You can't argue that Venators aren't designed much more for starfighter support compared to ImpStars, though.

According to the Anaxes War College system, a Star Destroyer is any ship between 1 and 2 kilometres long. Like I said, I don't like that. I don't think it makes any sense.

Bet it sure makes things a lot easier on the rebels when they're trying to identify the Empire's latest clusterf**k of a ship, though.

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Emperor_Revan wrote:

Fleet Admiral Error wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer is not a dreadnaught. They're only 1,600 meters long. Super Star Destroyers like Executor-class (19,000 meters) are sometimes called Star Dreadnaughts in Star Wars. It should be noted that by my scaling system an Executor-class is only a battleship, a size smaller than a dreadnaught. An Imperial-class would be a cruiser. A small cruiser. However, my scaling system does not represent the 'normal' system used by the RP. And I do not control the Star Wars galaxy. That said, make up your own ships.

Good gods, if a 19 km SSD is only a Battleship, is a Death Star a dreadnought?

Holy mother of potatoes.

there are ships much larger than the Executer-class in star wars.

No, there aren't, other than Death Stars and Yuuzhan Vong worldships. Executor-class, post-retcon, is the largest ship in the Imperial Navy, and the Imperial Navy has the largest ships in the galaxy. Worldships are Death Star scale, and they're only sorta ships, in the same way the Death Star is.

Yes, the Death Star would be a dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts are 50+ kilometers, and the first Death Star was 160. It's a large dreadnaught.

the Eclipse was larger than the Executer

Executor class is 19 km. Eclipse I & II are only 17.5

Tiel wrote:

Executor class is 19 km. Eclipse I & II are only 17.5

are you sure about that?

Yep.

Canonically the Eclipse is supposed to be 2x the size of an Executor class, which used to be 8km. The keeper of the holocron hasn't made any move to alter the Eclipse's size to reflect that, so by all rights the Executor class SSDs are bigger.