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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 7:59 pm

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I admit I don't know that. But how do you know that god created it and not Mackeroth or whatever he claims happened.

As above, faith. I don't pretend to have any solid proof I'm right, but its what I believe.

Good, that I accept.
Yeah. This is is what makes it depressing. Logic cannot change belief. I do not believe in any deity; no amount of arguing will change that. CMA does believe in a deity; no amount of arguing will change that.

I disagree. LOGICALLY I know there must be a deity of some sort. I BELIEVE that it is the deity from the bible.

Again, second law of thermodynamics.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:02 pm

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I admit I don't know that. But how do you know that god created it and not Mackeroth or whatever he claims happened.

As above, faith. I don't pretend to have any solid proof I'm right, but its what I believe.

Good, that I accept.
Yeah. This is is what makes it depressing. Logic cannot change belief. I do not believe in any deity; no amount of arguing will change that. CMA does believe in a deity; no amount of arguing will change that.

I disagree. LOGICALLY I know there must be a deity of some sort. I BELIEVE that it is the deity from the bible.

Again, second law of thermodynamics.
I'm afraid I don't understand what thermodynamics has to do with this discussion.

That may be, but it's not my point. My point is that We are incapable of changing each other's minds, so arguing about it, although potentially amusing, is an exercise in futility.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:12 pm

Second Law of Thermodynamics:
A law stating that mechanical work can be derived from a body only when that body interacts with another at a lower temperature; any spontaneous process results in an increase of entropy

Entropy:
The concept of entropy is that nature tends from order to disorder.

Basically if the laws of nature apply from the beginning of time (THE BASIS OF EVOLUTION) everything must be getting more and more disordered.

Basically disproves evolution.

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You have an organism with one gene. To evolve, it would need to have two genes. But genes are ORGANIZED PARTICLES. Order cannot come from disorder by itself. It cannot spontaneously grow a new gene, as that would be a DECREASE in entropy.

Thus something must have created this order. Thus a deity. (Or alien race that planted us, that theory could come from this conclusion just as easily).

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:15 pm

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Second Law of Thermodynamics:
A law stating that mechanical work can be derived from a body only when that body interacts with another at a lower temperature; any spontaneous process results in an increase of entropy

Entropy:
The concept of entropy is that nature tends from order to disorder.

Basically if the laws of nature apply from the beginning of time (THE BASIS OF EVOLUTION) everything must be getting more and more disordered.

Basically disproves evolution.

Example:

You have an organism with one gene. To evolve, it would need to have two genes. But genes are ORGANIZED PARTICLES. Order cannot come from disorder by itself. It cannot spontaneously grow a new gene, as that would be a DECREASE in entropy.

Thus something must have created this order. Thus a deity. (Or alien race that planted us, that theory could come from this conclusion just as easily).
Be that as it may, there's a huge difference between this and disproving evolution. Natural selection and all the other stuff would still apply, even if this works the way you say it does.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:23 pm

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Second Law of Thermodynamics:
A law stating that mechanical work can be derived from a body only when that body interacts with another at a lower temperature; any spontaneous process results in an increase of entropy

Entropy:
The concept of entropy is that nature tends from order to disorder.

Basically if the laws of nature apply from the beginning of time (THE BASIS OF EVOLUTION) everything must be getting more and more disordered.

Basically disproves evolution.

Example:

You have an organism with one gene. To evolve, it would need to have two genes. But genes are ORGANIZED PARTICLES. Order cannot come from disorder by itself. It cannot spontaneously grow a new gene, as that would be a DECREASE in entropy.

Thus something must have created this order. Thus a deity. (Or alien race that planted us, that theory could come from this conclusion just as easily).

Where does that energy come from? Disorder in other places. To create those genes as a mutation requires energy, which is eaten from the ground, and produces heat and disorder. Entropy.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:44 pm

My God, coincidentally we were arguing about this in 8th period, but you guys take it to a whole new level. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:47 pm

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My God, coincidentally we were arguing about this in 8th period, but you guys take it to a whole new level. Shocked
That is the goal, you know. That's always the goal.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:51 pm

But the priiiiize.


Though my political opinion is that religion should be separate from politics, yes? So why is this here?
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:53 pm

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But the priiiiize.


Though my political opinion is that religion should be separate from politics, yes? So why is this here?
I dunno. It just happened. This is as good a place for it as any. I could change the title to just 'Opinions' if that would be better.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 8:56 pm

Hmm.

Changing a Dev's thread's name.

Heavy Risk. But the Priiize..

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 9:28 pm

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Hmm.

Changing a Dev's thread's name.

Heavy Risk. But the Priiize..
This is hyperlite's thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 9:45 pm

he's not a dev -_-
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:06 pm

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Be that as it may, there's a huge difference between this and disproving evolution. Natural selection and all the other stuff would still apply, even if this works the way you say it does.

But I agree with natural selection. But it only works with genes that were already available. No new genes are created. Each creature adapts within its species to its natural surroundings. Gotta give God some credit here, he knew what he was doing.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:08 pm

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Where does that energy come from? Disorder in other places. To create those genes as a mutation requires energy, which is eaten from the ground, and produces heat and disorder. Entropy.

Actually, if my understanding of the second law is correct, the energy comes from more ordered places, not disorder. And mutations have never been seen to create new anything, they just mess up whats already there.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:29 pm

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Where does that energy come from? Disorder in other places. To create those genes as a mutation requires energy, which is eaten from the ground, and produces heat and disorder. Entropy.

If my understanding of evolution is correct, the energy comes from radiation, which alters the genes slightly with random things, like the ability to synthesise a flammable spray, and whichever changes work get passed on.
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:29 pm

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Where does that energy come from? Disorder in other places. To create those genes as a mutation requires energy, which is eaten from the ground, and produces heat and disorder. Entropy.

Actually, if my understanding of the second law is correct, the energy comes from more ordered places, not disorder. And mutations have never been seen to create new anything, they just mess up whats already there.
Just moments ago, you said you agreed with natural selection. How can you reconcile that with this statement?

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:30 pm

... confusion... why are we even doing this? stupid politics/opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:33 pm

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... confusion... why are we even doing this? stupid politics/opinions.

I don't know.

The interesting thing is, most of us can't vote.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:34 pm

My nation doesn't have elections. I am stuck here for life. If I do wrong, im not impeached, I am beheaded. Very good incentive.
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:35 pm

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My nation doesn't have elections. I am stuck here for life. If I do wrong, im not impeached, I am beheaded. Very good incentive.

How does one become a citizen of your nation?

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You know, I was thinking we should have a 3D crafting grid for complex recipes, but Kielaran is right: why have three dimensions when you can have six? Truly I don't know how we ever got by with a measly two.


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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:36 pm

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My nation doesn't have elections. I am stuck here for life. If I do wrong, im not impeached, I am beheaded. Very good incentive.

How does one become a citizen of your nation?
You kill one of the old citizens and steal his identity.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:36 pm

Birth, or political adoption by member of government,
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Wed May 09, 2012 10:47 pm

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Where does that energy come from? Disorder in other places. To create those genes as a mutation requires energy, which is eaten from the ground, and produces heat and disorder. Entropy.

Actually, if my understanding of the second law is correct, the energy comes from more ordered places, not disorder. And mutations have never been seen to create new anything, they just mess up whats already there.
Just moments ago, you said you agreed with natural selection. How can you reconcile that with this statement?

Natural Selection works by choosing from a set amount of genes (that already exist) the best one for protecting the animal. So by using natural selection information is lost. Genes for unused traits are left behind. But no new information is gained.

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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Thu May 10, 2012 2:11 am

From politics to social ideals to religion and then genetics ? Politics are complicated Shocked .
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PostSubject: Re: Political opinions   Thu May 10, 2012 7:33 am

Human politics are so strange!
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