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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Fri May 04, 2012 7:42 pm

Or missiles could be oxidized. Seriously. Most missiles use a pre-oxygenated fuel to ignite. This means they can fire in a void. And Cool is right, the pressure wave would be less powerful even if it breaches the hull. What would most likely be used is similar to a grenade. The pressure wave does little, the shrapnel does a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Fri May 04, 2012 8:52 pm

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That makes no sense at all. The way a missile works in atmosphere is it causes a pressure wave that does concussion damage to static defenses and lifeforms. The way missiles work in space is there is a delayed blast that activates after the amur peircing tip of the missile peirces the hull. While asteroids would hit the hull, they are only going a few hundred KMH, and are not being deliberately fired at the ship, while a missile is going much faster, and IS deliberately aimed at the ship.
i must correct you, good sir, some asteroids ARE aimed at a ship, and are, in fact, hidden missiles. or mines. or something.
Indeed. In Old Man's War, the CDF liked to sit in orbit and drop meteorites onto enemy cities/bases/etc.

I don't remember that at all! Who did they bomb?
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Fri May 04, 2012 9:03 pm

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That makes no sense at all. The way a missile works in atmosphere is it causes a pressure wave that does concussion damage to static defenses and lifeforms. The way missiles work in space is there is a delayed blast that activates after the amur peircing tip of the missile peirces the hull. While asteroids would hit the hull, they are only going a few hundred KMH, and are not being deliberately fired at the ship, while a missile is going much faster, and IS deliberately aimed at the ship.
i must correct you, good sir, some asteroids ARE aimed at a ship, and are, in fact, hidden missiles. or mines. or something.
Indeed. In Old Man's War, the CDF liked to sit in orbit and drop meteorites onto enemy cities/bases/etc.

I don't remember that at all! Who did they bomb?
They dropped rocks on the Ensha outpost, the one all the Rayae (No idea how to spell that) scientists were in. They said it was a common and useful tactic for the Ghost Brigades.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Fri May 04, 2012 9:42 pm

I think I do recall that a little now that you remind me, but there were so many battles in that book series that I can't remember everything!
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Sat May 05, 2012 11:41 am

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Laserbilly wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
superninjakiwi wrote:
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That makes no sense at all. The way a missile works in atmosphere is it causes a pressure wave that does concussion damage to static defenses and lifeforms. The way missiles work in space is there is a delayed blast that activates after the amur peircing tip of the missile peirces the hull. While asteroids would hit the hull, they are only going a few hundred KMH, and are not being deliberately fired at the ship, while a missile is going much faster, and IS deliberately aimed at the ship.
i must correct you, good sir, some asteroids ARE aimed at a ship, and are, in fact, hidden missiles. or mines. or something.
Indeed. In Old Man's War, the CDF liked to sit in orbit and drop meteorites onto enemy cities/bases/etc.

I don't remember that at all! Who did they bomb?
They dropped rocks on the Ensha outpost, the one all the Rayae (No idea how to spell that) scientists were in. They said it was a common and useful tactic for the Ghost Brigades.

They're only real asteroids if they're unintentional
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Sat May 05, 2012 8:04 pm

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My shell of choice? The black hole shell (Think red matter from Star Trek)

In essence, it turns into a black hole on impact, sucking everything near it into it. However, it is very short lived, lasting for about 5 seconds. But the gravitational field still rips ships apart in the general area. When it evaporates, it emits very powerful EM radiation, blinding anyone who looks at the evaporating hole directly and scrambling electronics and communications.

This is caused because it releases more light that the sun. MUCH more.

My weapon of choice: EMP shell (or missile). It causes all non-shielded devices to shut down, and will cause massive fluctuations in shields (which are an EM field, by the way).

I like it because it wreaks havoc, and is fairly scientifically accurate.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Sun May 06, 2012 9:17 pm

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I am now starting to question, could there be an orange fireball from a missile exploding in space? There is no oxygen, a key ingredient for fire.
Yes there would still be an explosion although it would most likely not be orange but it would still burn whatever combustiles/explosives were within or near the missle the fiery flame part doesnt do the damage in these missles though it's the blast itself.

Fire requires oxygen, an ignition source, and fuel. Without one of those, there can be no fire.
I apologize I just looked it up and I completely misunderstood fire I feel like a complete idiot good thing nobody listens to my posts anyways
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Sun May 06, 2012 10:53 pm

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I am now starting to question, could there be an orange fireball from a missile exploding in space? There is no oxygen, a key ingredient for fire.
Yes there would still be an explosion although it would most likely not be orange but it would still burn whatever combustiles/explosives were within or near the missle the fiery flame part doesnt do the damage in these missles though it's the blast itself.

Fire requires oxygen, an ignition source, and fuel. Without one of those, there can be no fire.


Wrong. Plasma requires gas and energy.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 12:10 am

Well good luck making fire without oxygen ...

BTW Fire and plasma are not exactly the same thing. Like saying that all animals are dogs ... all dogs are animals but not the opposite.
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 12:19 am



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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 9:05 am

Wrong plasma. We're talking about what you see in your fireplace and in the sun.

But plasma, even when not fire, looks like explosions. I mean, supernovas. They explode, in space. No fire, no combustion, most powerful explosions since the big bang.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 10:10 am

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Wrong plasma. We're talking about what you see in your fireplace and in the sun.

But plasma, even when not fire, looks like explosions. I mean, supernovas. They explode, in space. No fire, no combustion, most powerful explosions since the big bang.
Ooh, aah. In Star Wars, they figured out how to weaponize that and built the Sun Crusher. Can we have one of those?

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 10:26 am

A better example would be the Covenant in Halo. They used magnetic fields to pull the plasma into guidable projectiles on their ships.
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 am

covanent Twisted Evil
they also made the plasma grenade, it's sticky Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 12:23 pm

Sir Tielton wrote:
A better example would be the Covenant in Halo. They used magnetic fields to pull the plasma into guidable projectiles on their ships.
I don't mean the plasma, I mean supernovae. I want to use those.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Mon May 07, 2012 11:07 pm

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ACH0225 wrote:
bsb23 wrote:
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I am now starting to question, could there be an orange fireball from a missile exploding in space? There is no oxygen, a key ingredient for fire.
Yes there would still be an explosion although it would most likely not be orange but it would still burn whatever combustiles/explosives were within or near the missle the fiery flame part doesnt do the damage in these missles though it's the blast itself.

Fire requires oxygen, an ignition source, and fuel. Without one of those, there can be no fire.
I apologize I just looked it up and I completely misunderstood fire I feel like a complete idiot good thing nobody listens to my posts anyways

I correct myself once more (Hope you payed attention in chemistry) fire does not require oxygen but an oxidizer. First thought to be comprised of at least some oxygen research shows that it doesn't have to have to contain oxygen it only usually does due to oxygen's high electronegativity (EN). For those who don't know EN is a number which represents the likelihood of that element receiving an electron from another in fire the oxidizer receives electrons from the reactant making this a necessary trait. Substances such as nitrogen trifluoride are being currently tested as oxidizers by companies such as Wendell Hull & Associates. I apologize for me correcting myself twice.
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Wed May 09, 2012 7:58 pm

VORTEX MISSILES!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Thu May 10, 2012 7:39 am

ACH0225 wrote:
That makes no sense at all. The way a missile works in atmosphere is it causes a pressure wave that does concussion damage to static defenses and lifeforms. The way missiles work in space is there is a delayed blast that activates after the amur peircing tip of the missile peirces the hull. While asteroids would hit the hull, they are only going a few hundred KMH, and are not being deliberately fired at the ship, while a missile is going much faster, and IS deliberately aimed at the ship.

What are you talking about? The reason bits of space-junk are so deadly to space-craft (currently) is because the bits travel at many times the speed of a bullet, many thousands of miles per hour.

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Thu May 10, 2012 7:46 am

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bsb23 wrote:
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I am now starting to question, could there be an orange fireball from a missile exploding in space? There is no oxygen, a key ingredient for fire.
Yes there would still be an explosion although it would most likely not be orange but it would still burn whatever combustiles/explosives were within or near the missle the fiery flame part doesnt do the damage in these missles though it's the blast itself.

Fire requires oxygen, an ignition source, and fuel. Without one of those, there can be no fire.
I apologize I just looked it up and I completely misunderstood fire I feel like a complete idiot good thing nobody listens to my posts anyways

I correct myself once more (Hope you payed attention in chemistry) fire does not require oxygen but an oxidizer. First thought to be comprised of at least some oxygen research shows that it doesn't have to have to contain oxygen it only usually does due to oxygen's high electronegativity (EN). For those who don't know EN is a number which represents the likelihood of that element receiving an electron from another in fire the oxidizer receives electrons from the reactant making this a necessary trait. Substances such as nitrogen trifluoride are being currently tested as oxidizers by companies such as Wendell Hull & Associates. I apologize for me correcting myself twice.


Fire is a chemical reaction- it produces 2 Dihydrogen Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide, unless it is a hydrogen fire, in which case it only makes Carbon Dioxide.
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Thu May 10, 2012 10:45 am

Fire is oxidization quickly enough to create enough heat to produce plasma. That is all.

Plasma is the flame. It can be made by electricity too. Why use oxidization?

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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Thu May 10, 2012 10:53 am

The fire source doesn't matter, you need oxygen. You can light up a candle with a lightning, but if you cover it with a cup it won't last long.
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PostSubject: Re: Different shell types   Thu May 10, 2012 11:13 am

That is correct. You need sustained energy. One way to get that is from oxidazation, another is ionizing gas into plasma with electricity. The resulting plasma would be similar.

The fire is just high energy gas. That can exist in space, look at nebulas. Those are literally fire.

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