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| Should it be added? | | Yes | | 58% | [ 7 ] | | No (please give good reason) | | 17% | [ 2 ] | | I Dont know | | 8% | [ 1 ] | | Cheese | | 17% | [ 2 ] |
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Last_Jedi_Standing
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| Subject: Re: Ground design area  Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:47 am | |
| Futurecraft. Not Spacecraft. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:19 am | |
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- I do not support ground battles in space combat sim anyway. It gets suff too thin, you won't meet ANYTHING on those planets if you give each one of them their own dimension. Besides I think futurecraft is all about space battles, and should not try to be what it isn't .
I dont think there will be enough people playing the mod at once to have two battles at once. one in space and one on land with the people remaining fighting there own battles and doin there own stuff. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:54 am | |
| That is the point - you spread players too thin, just imagine how much time it takes to find someone in a world like you want to make: a planet will be probably similar to the overworld just with limits, still it should be big. We get lets say 4 avg WORLDs per system, like 20 systems (each one of them is also a world) so we get 100 WORLDs , do you really hope to find someone in there ? and also how much do you think 100 worlds, even if limited , weight ? You cannot have both, either you do space or ground. If you choose to add both (lets say really limit the worlds) it will get crappy (imagine battling over a small area of 20x20 chucks lets say ... feels more like a deathmach than the strategic stuff you plan to make). While having the ability to truly land and fight over planets is not bad we just cannot really make it. As I said you can try to add it later of you want but not at the cost of the important things such as space (and yes LJS it is closer to SPACECRAFT) - Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
3. Okay, Ill fix it. Want to be politically and religiously correct. Actually, We reffer to Christ as "God´s son", altough Christ and Jahwe (I hope that´s spelled right) are actually two of three forms of appearence of god according to christian believe. No you didn’t, you cannot. The God's name was especially made unpronounceable, just god you know ? Also isn't it that god doesn't have a form ? This is totally confusing now  . It is supposed to be the God father, the God son and the God spirit isn't it ? Oh god what a mess  . | |
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Last_Jedi_Standing
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:09 am | |
| - Iv121 wrote:
- That is the point - you spread players too thin, just imagine how much time it takes to find someone in a world like you want to make: a planet will be probably similar to the overworld just with limits, still it should be big. We get lets say 4 avg WORLDs per system, like 20 systems (each one of them is also a world) so we get 100 WORLDs , do you really hope to find someone in there ? and also how much do you think 100 worlds, even if limited , weight ? You cannot have both, either you do space or ground. If you choose to add both (lets say really limit the worlds) it will get crappy (imagine battling over a small area of 20x20 chucks lets say ... feels more like a deathmach than the strategic stuff you plan to make). While having the ability to truly land and fight over planets is not bad we just cannot really make it. As I said you can try to add it later of you want but not at the cost of the important things such as space (and yes LJS it is closer to SPACECRAFT)
Read the MCF OP. All this stuff has been planned since day 1, Iv. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:27 am | |
| Maybe, I dunno that thing is outdated, could you summarise it ? Hey and don't blame me in being lazy you didn't see the flying ship video . | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:14 pm | |
| - Iv121 wrote:
- Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
3. Okay, Ill fix it. Want to be politically and religiously correct. Actually, We reffer to Christ as "God´s son", altough Christ and Jahwe (I hope that´s spelled right) are actually two of three forms of appearence of god according to christian believe.
No you didn’t, you cannot. The God's name was especially made unpronounceable, just god you know ? Also isn't it that god doesn't have a form ? This is totally confusing now . It is supposed to be the God father, the God son and the God spirit isn't it ? Oh god what a mess .
Actually, it is true that the father-universe-creating-part of god as well as the god-spirit-power-thingy don´t have any appearence, but the Jesus-part of god did take a human form. Altough it was for just 30 years or something. It´s very confusing, but I think I have figured it out. Also, Christians aren´t that strict with Jewish religious rules. I guess in Israel it is hardly imaginable that in Europe, almost noone goes to church on sunday. (christian sabbat, just 1 day later) Also, we have these weird rules called "mortal sins", which, if you commit them, you get punished for after your death. And no, it doesn´t involve ignoring the 10 bids, but doing things such as being angry or having luxury. It´s weird that you´re supposed to go to hell if you try to live your life as pleasant as possible. We should really make a thread for religious talk... | |
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Iv121
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:02 pm | |
| To your post Ivan: - off-topic warning:
It's not like that. Actually looking closely to the bible we might conclude that we are living in hell and that Eden is somewhere far away from us  . The bible rules make sense at their time and were quite fair. They included charity, fair trials , morals etc. They have some strict parts that were written earlier about some basic rules that define the society they lived in. For example the bible is very strict about killing. The one who kills is to be killed. If he killed by mistake he will run to one of the safe cities for trial as the family of the dead will try to kill him in their anger. If he killed on purpose from the halls of the temple he should be caried to his death. Those strict rules are opposite to other middle eastern rules of that time. At that time you could kill whoever you want as long as you can pay for it, and you couldn't be taken from a temple as this place was considered holy. On the other hand there are quite advanced practices in the bible. An example is the story about Sodom and Gomorrah. God appears to Abraham and tells him that he is going down to check those cities if they are indeed sinister. He sends angels to conform that and after this goes to Abraham and says that the cities are indeed sinister and that he is going to eliminate them. Abraham starts to trade with him "And if there are 50 saints in there ?"I won't destroy the city" , "and if there are 40 saints ? " "I will not destroy the city " "And may I ask his highness but if there are 30 saints ? " "and for 30 saints I will save the city" "and may I ask but what if there are 10 saints in the city?" "I will not destroy it" . After that he doesn't find any saint besides Abraham's brother Lott who leaves the city which is getting destroyed. This story rises two questions: How is that the all knowing god has to go down to check out if the city is indeed sinister and how is that he doesn’t know how many saints are there and agrees to trade with Abraham ? The answer lies in the purpose of this tail - to teach a lesson about fair trial. In his first deed God wants to tell the Israeli judges that they should not base their verdict on rumors and thoughts and that if the god himself went down to check what’s going on a mere flash and bones judge MUST do it. Also he wants to tech how correctly decide upon the verdict. Both he and Abraham use a collective punishing method. While god wants to punish the whole city for the sinister , Abraham wants to reward the whole city for the saints. God encourages to save the city with this trade, he knows well there are no saints there so he can allow himself to do it. In this way we are taught that a judge should be merciful. He should find all circumstances that reduce the punishment of the defendant but yet keep within the rules. Also about Jesus he doesn't fit in the bible as it is said that we should not make statues to the god as we have never seen him and he doesn't have a physical appearance in the world. I do not say the Christian belief is wrong just that it doesn't fit in the Jewish tradition. I tend to view Jesus as a prophet, just like mousses and many that came before. He actually was one as he told prophesies and spread the god's word. He didn't want a new religion but a reformation of Judaism and all his followers were Jews (Which means that saint Mark probably turned in his coffin when his bones were sneaked out of Egypt in a crate of pork ). A more interesting question for you that always interested me is: What is the god spirit ? I mean alright God father is the creator and all the stuff of the bible, god son is his presence on Earth, but what's about the spirit ?
Having a POLITE discussion on the matter can be really interesting and I disagree with locking the thread where all this belongs to. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:11 pm | |
| Mods are lock-happy a ton of the time | |
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Iv121
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:48 pm | |
| That thread really didn't break any law. | |
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Last_Jedi_Standing
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:18 pm | |
| No, but threads specifically for the comparison of religion or politics are a bad idea. Even if they start friendly, they will end in a flame war. Mackeroth was right to lock it. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:55 pm | |
| - Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
- No, but threads specifically for the comparison of religion or politics are a bad idea. Even if they start friendly, they will end in a flame war. Mackeroth was right to lock it.
Well, I wasn´t planning on making actual arguments about what believe is better but to compare the properties of religions. Anyway, on second thought, you might propably require a community consistant entirely of intelectuals (which we don´t have here) in order to keep a discussion about religion polite. - @Iv:
It is true, the bible does have some pretty inspireing texts which could be adapted to real-live situations even in modern days.
Sadly, I have to tell you that (at least officially) in catholic christianity, interpretation of the Bible is allowed to be performed by priests only, making the actually good lessons more-or-less useless.
At last, to answer the question about the god-spirit: It is the power which enables "The Father" as well as "THe Son" to do... god-stuff.
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:04 pm | |
| nice to see everyone likes the idea and is staying completely on topic
Also, i added a poll | |
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Last_Jedi_Standing
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:46 pm | |
| I say no, simply because it's not needed. I agree that ground warfare will be important in the mod, but there aren't nearly enough ground vehicles on the forum to make another subforum useful. There's no reason that I can see not to have them in your thread in the Ship Design Area, other than an objection over the name. It's a lot easier to fix that than to and another subforum, and it won't require everyone to move their ground vehicles to a new and useless thread. Moreover, it would force people to look in more than one place for a user's creations, which is pointless and inefficient. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:15 pm | |
| - Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
- I say no, simply because it's not needed. I agree that ground warfare will be important in the mod, but there aren't nearly enough ground vehicles on the forum to make another subforum useful. There's no reason that I can see not to have them in your thread in the Ship Design Area, other than an objection over the name. It's a lot easier to fix that than to and another subforum, and it won't require everyone to move their ground vehicles to a new and useless thread. Moreover, it would force people to look in more than one place for a user's creations, which is pointless and inefficient.
The name could be changed to "Design Area", just so people will feel more welcome to post their ground based creations. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:11 pm | |
| - Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
- Iv121 wrote:
- Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
3. Okay, Ill fix it. Want to be politically and religiously correct. Actually, We reffer to Christ as "God´s son", altough Christ and Jahwe (I hope that´s spelled right) are actually two of three forms of appearence of god according to christian believe.
No you didn’t, you cannot. The God's name was especially made unpronounceable, just god you know ? Also isn't it that god doesn't have a form ? This is totally confusing now . It is supposed to be the God father, the God son and the God spirit isn't it ? Oh god what a mess .
Actually, it is true that the father-universe-creating-part of god as well as the god-spirit-power-thingy don´t have any appearence, but the Jesus-part of god did take a human form. Altough it was for just 30 years or something.
It´s very confusing, but I think I have figured it out.
Also, Christians aren´t that strict with Jewish religious rules.
I guess in Israel it is hardly imaginable that in Europe, almost noone goes to church on sunday. (christian sabbat, just 1 day later)
Also, we have these weird rules called "mortal sins", which, if you commit them, you get punished for after your death.
And no, it doesn´t involve ignoring the 10 bids, but doing things such as being angry or having luxury.
It´s weird that you´re supposed to go to hell if you try to live your life as pleasant as possible.
We should really make a thread for religious talk... I agree. The only reason there are religious arguments is because we don't understand eachothers beliefs. If we had one that would be settled. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:48 pm | |
| Cut the off-topic, guys. This is an idea thread. The religion thread got locked for a reason. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:30 pm | |
| Alright I still don't think that ground battles should be implemented because they spread players too thin. Now back to off-topic . Srsly though the thread didn't pass any rule, and while it is the moderator's responsibility to keep an eye on the forum they must also act by the book. They cannot randomly lock threads and claim they might cause flaming. I can say the same about a thread about unfair bans, will you lock it too ? It has a great potential for flaming too. As long as there is none going on there is no valid reason to lock the thread down as it effects the right of free speech and opinion expression. | |
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| | Subject: Re: Ground design area Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:28 pm | |
| I am locking this thread, because it is completely off-topic. Yes, I understand the irony. No, I won't stop. This will be easier to handle once the proposal is implemented. | |
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