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PostSubject: Something akin to the handsaw.   Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:45 pm

I was thinking of how much better things look (especially small ships and interiors) when smaller blocks/slabs/panels/etc are used to build with the Redpower mod. Could FC have something similar to this to make fine detailing easier?
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:40 pm

i think it would be a good idea
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:41 pm

Sounds cool, that would let players add a lot of detail to their interiors.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:59 pm

I like it. If I managed to convince Bioxx to add metal blocks into TerraFirmaCraft you would have a much better version of this, and I do mean much better. There is even promise of the possibility of allowing control over microblocks down to one thousandth level although right now we just are using layers. Not to mention how much more stuff we have color-wise.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:40 am

I fully agree, expect on one thing:

We should make sure that cutting is made with stationary powered machines to prevent overusage.
Also, we should make it that different materials to be cut require different saws (for example, you migt not be able to cut material (1) with saw (a), but with saw (b), but material (2) would require saw (a) and not work with saw (b).
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:30 pm

You would have to have some kind of stationary device to be able to craft them.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:55 pm

If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:05 pm

'Cause plasma cutters are so much cooler.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:31 pm

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:22 pm

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Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:34 pm

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:02 pm

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:36 pm

RL world also does not construct starships out of perfectly identical cubes of matter.

I don't think saws are a good idea. Not because I'd be too lazy to conform, but that it took Zeppelin a long time to support even half blocks. With up to six variations of each block, well..

All we really need, I think, are slabs for the new alloys and go from there. If there's a need for a cutter, so be it, but I don't think that will happen so soon after release.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:00 pm

I see your point, but one problem with implementing something like that is that the older ships wouldn't have the better detailing, unless whoever owned the ship remade the interior.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:15 pm

Honestly, I would be happy with sideways slabs and stairs.

Alloy blocks could be cut to make armor plates, which could be put on ships (less bulky than whole blocks for smaller ships) or used to craft hings like infantry armor and minimechs.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:00 am

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:47 am

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
We don't need that, because we won't be using wool on ships. We'll be using steel, which cuts just great. Now develop a saw that can cut wool, yes?

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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:50 am

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
We don't need that, because we won't be using wool on ships. We'll be using steel, which cuts just great. Now develop a saw that can cut wool, yes?

1st) We will be using wool on ships. Propably not on the exterior, but I can imagine luxury cruisers having wool carpets.
2nd) Scissor operated by a saw-motor. Done.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:24 pm

Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
We don't need that, because we won't be using wool on ships. We'll be using steel, which cuts just great. Now develop a saw that can cut wool, yes?

1st) We will be using wool on ships. Propably not on the exterior, but I can imagine luxury cruisers having wool carpets.
2nd) Scissor operated by a saw-motor. Done.

Or carpets could be crafted in a regular crafting table.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:30 pm

catsonmeth wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
We don't need that, because we won't be using wool on ships. We'll be using steel, which cuts just great. Now develop a saw that can cut wool, yes?

1st) We will be using wool on ships. Propably not on the exterior, but I can imagine luxury cruisers having wool carpets.
2nd) Scissor operated by a saw-motor. Done.

Or carpets could be crafted in a regular crafting table.
Yeah, my Alderaan-class has carpets made of wool. And they're a meter thick. Wool is not the best solution there.

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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:31 pm

catsonmeth wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
Surp. Grm. Ivan Kintobor wrote:
Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:
If we are going to do something like this, all cutting will be done by a plasma cutter, not a saw.

Why not both?

Let´s say a basic saw is fairly slow and eventually needs its blade changed (either when the current blade doesn´t fit the material or if it breaks out of too much usage) while a plasma cutter needs (obviously) much more electricity, but can cut through everything without ever wearing out and is much faster.

How´s that? That way people could already use cut blocks for their early ships, before they develop plasma-technology.
Plasma cutters aren't high tech enough to need that. You should be able to make one long before you can make something as complex as a starship.

Well, if you take into account that RL mankind is able to make basic multi-use starships with rocket propulsion, you could say that Plasma might come a bit later than your first spaceship.
RL mankind has plasma cutters, too. They're not even particularly rare/expensive. There's one in the robotics lab.

Good.
Now develop the plasma cutter which can cut wool without burning it.
A little bit above RL-tech, isn´t it?
We don't need that, because we won't be using wool on ships. We'll be using steel, which cuts just great. Now develop a saw that can cut wool, yes?

1st) We will be using wool on ships. Propably not on the exterior, but I can imagine luxury cruisers having wool carpets.
2nd) Scissor operated by a saw-motor. Done.

Or carpets could be crafted in a regular crafting table.

Okay. Then the saw can only cut blocks that are actually hard and thus can be cut properly.
And the plasma cutter can only cut non-flamable materials (no wood)
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:59 pm

Then how about a saw to cut flammable material like wood?
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:42 pm

Handsaw-made of stone, cuts wood and wood planks.
hacksaw-made of iron/other metal, cuts stone, weak metal.
gas torch-rus off methane or propane, cuts weak metals, incenerates other things.
plasma torch/laser cutter-cuts weak metals, strong metals, and some alloys.

loom-makes things out of wool, cotton, etc.
advanced loom thing-weaves carbon fiber and nanotube mesh

Saw table-never breaks, cuts wood, stone, and weak metals.
plasma-ark cutting table thing- cuts anything nonflammable up to semi-advanced alloys.
laser cutter table thing- cuts anything nonflammable, including super-advanced materials

molecular dissolution device-extremely expensive, can cut anything. ANYTHING.

What d'you think?


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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:52 pm

Perhaps a Particle Seperator capible of cutting everyting, Wood, Metal, Alloy, Your hand, Your freind, Your pig, Space, Time, Black Holes, Etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Something akin to the handsaw.   Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:43 pm

_Shadowcat_ wrote:
Perhaps a Particle Seperator capible of cutting everyting, Wood, Metal, Alloy, Your hand, Your freind, Your pig, Space, Time, Black Holes, Etc.

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